I found Jonathon's performance excellent as well and stayed on point and supported his position in a scholarly fashion with facts--not the heretical rants of RFKj. Jonathon has set a new standard for us all to strive for. While Andrew found the gas tax increase comments most interesting, I found juniors claim that NRDC is apolitical and that their website is the fount of truth equally interesting.

I disagree that Jonathan carried the day. I thought several of his statements depended on questionable or debateable assumptions. I wonder if either he or RFK Jr convinced anybody who didn't already agree with him.

That said, Jonathan didn't get the chance to speak his piece as much as RFK Jr. I found interesting/thought-provoking his statement about foreign oil production being cheaper to produce and thus reduced fuel demands would not reduce US reliance on foreign oil.

Did anyone put a stopwatch to this discussion. RFKj seemd to be doing a lot of Fillabustering and Ira Plato was not willing to step in an control the situation. I would love to see the result in a timed "Argument, Rebut, Redirect" debate. I think that Jonathan would do even better.